A lively exchange between Vishrant and an Osho sannyasin who challenges him on enlightenment in a live Satsang.
This is a riveting conversation between a spiritual master and a courageous challenger. Watch this public display of surrender, acceptance and openness while under fire.
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Video transcript –
Sannyasin
Hello, can you hear?
Vishrant
I can, yes.
Sannyasin:
You can, great. Nice to see everyone and greetings to all friends and beloved seekers. I have one question, at your ashram, do you play Osho videos in the evening to have Satsang with Osho?
Vishrant
Heck no. We have live Satsang.
Sannyasin
That means that is the first and most visible sign that you are not even a disciple, what to say about being a master? And I have been feeling you for two sessions and you are not a master at all.
Vishrant
I like you already.
Sannyasin
Osho in Ta Hui, The Great Zen Master Ta Hui video series has explained how the seeker can distinguish between a real master and a fake one like you. Every thirsty seeker should really see Osho’s videos and have Satsang with Osho. And really watch that series. And about you, I don’t have any hopes that you will be receptive to my indication that you should stop giving Satsangs. I will ask you this question. Do you have the courage to claim that you are enlightened, that you are even a disciple? And here is master Osho, about whom I know you don’t care. But do you have the courage in front of your people, or you have the real courage to accept that you have committed a mistake? So many years you have been leading people astray with your false intellectual chattering and claiming to be awakened and full of light, which you are not. Just say yes, I am enlightened on my own.
Vishrant
I haven’t run into anyone like you for a long time. I’m fascinated by you.
Sannyasin
You’re dodging my question, can you say simply, “Yes I am an awakened being as I have been claiming all this while.” Just say, “Yes I am.” Or accept that you are not and then I will hug you.
Vishrant
Is it okay if I put it another way? With your permission?
Sannyasin
No, just say whether you are a master or not.
Vishrant
I can say this. I’m not here.
Sannyasin
No, say I am a master. You can say you are not here, you can say the words.
Vishrant
It’s a shame you can’t come and be with me, I’d enjoy your company, you’re fun.
Sannyasin
You’re avoiding the straightforward answer when you say you are not here. Actually, you are here. And I just wanted to point to other people who may watch you more carefully. At every sentence you utter, you’re, almost every time you are lying, and people can notice the contradictions between what you said last time and how you don’t really care about solving the questioner’s inner struggles. People have really great inner struggles, and you don’t really care about solving them. You mostly care about showing an image of a so-called enlightened being, as you have learned from other imitators like Sadhguru and the other ones which you have visited in the past. Imitators learning from other imitators. And Osho is explaining in Ta Hui, The Great Zen Master, how this business goes on.
Vishrant
Were you ever with Osho?
Sannyasin
Yes.
Vishrant
When he was alive?
Sannyasin
No.
Vishrant
Okay, that’s a shame because Osho said, “When I die, find someone else awake to be with. Don’t be with a dead guru.”
Sannyasin
To whom he has said this? To those who cannot be receptive to Osho directly, they need an alignment because they cannot be receptive.
Vishrant
He said it in public Satsang.
Sannyasin
Yeah, in a public video, in many videos and he explained it to whom? He’s addressing his answer.
Vishrant
So, what I recommend for you is that you find someone who is awake and be with them.
Sannyasin
No, don’t recommend, you’re not in the position to recommend. But the truth is this, you will burn yourself up. Enjoy this, it’s your own doing to yourself. I just had a friendly message to you also and especially to the other friends.
Vishrant
I think I’m falling in love with you.
Sannyasin
As a psychotherapist, you are very well trained in pretending to be in empathy with people. I know that and I have met enough such skilled people. You’re not that natural in your talk, it’s all intellectual parroting, like Sadhguru who is doing very similar kind of thing like you.
Vishrant
I like Sadhguru, I think he’s cool.
Sannyasin
About Sadhguru, people can find enough info, more than about you. Perhaps this is the first time some public info can be released about you because nobody has bothered to watch you more carefully. But about Sadhguru people can check out in Google.
Vishrant
You should come to Perth and spend some time with me.
Sannyasin
Maybe I will come, will you receive me?
Vishrant
Yes, you’d be most welcome.
Sannyasin
Maybe I will come with three Sannyasins and visit you.
Vishrant
That would be lovely. Where are you, where are you calling from? Where do you live?
Sannyasin
From Eastern Europe.
Vishrant
Ah, Eastern Europe. If you get down here to Perth, come and see me. We’ll have a cup of tea.
Sannyasin
Sure.
Vishrant
Yeah, what is your name?
Sannyasin
My name is Jon.
Vishrant
Jon, I admire your courage. I admire your courage.
Sannyasin
I don’t understand this word courage.
Vishrant
Courage. Courage is what you have when you… Courage, like a lion has courage.
Sannyasin
I am not courageous at all.
Vishrant
Yeah, you are.
Sannyasin
No, I have something else, I have passion, if you want to call it that, not courage.
Vishrant
Ah. You haven’t asked me if I love Osho.
Sannyasin
No need for me to ask you because if you have loved Osho so much as you say it by mouth, you would have been in great devotion continuously with him. And you would have not pretended to be a master and lead people to be doing Satsangs with you. You’re taking people from going to Osho, you’re taking them to you. Exploiting their love for Osho. This is not nice. They love and respect Osho and they believe you are Osho’s disciple, and you are not.
Vishrant
Jon, Osho’s dead.
Sannyasin
Osho is not dead.
Vishrant
Yes, he is.
Sannyasin
Only for those who were not in touch with him when he was alive. This is how he put it into words in one discourse. For sure he’s not dead.
Vishrant
You should come here because the field of energy here is the same…
Sannyasin
You don’t have any field of energy. Yeah, tell us about the energy.
Vishrant
Well, I don’t think you know the difference because I don’t think you ever sat with Osho. And so, I don’t think you’d understand that it’s all about a Buddha Field. It’s not about anything else.
Sannyasin
I understand. I can feel and this is a feeling that I’m expressing, not some other, just a feeling.
Vishrant
Yeah, I get that. You should come and sit with me and see.
Sannyasin
Okay, keep doing your thing. I said what I had to say and I strongly recommend to look critically upon you and they will find what they must.
Vishrant
Yes.
Sannyasin
And you know it but you’re not courageous, as I thought. You could have accepted. This is a great opportunity for me to just become what I claim to already be.
Vishrant
You’d be very welcome. Come and play with me.
Sannyasin
This is just diplomacy. Political diplomacy. You’re a good actor. And if the occasion arises, I may really come, and we shall drink a cup of tea.
Vishrant
Yes. Thank you, John.
Sannyasin
Thank you. Thank you, everyone.
Vishrant
Come online again if you ever want to, you’d be welcome.
Sannyasin
Great.
Vishrant
Because you haven’t been disrespectful. You’ve been quite polite.
Sannyasin
I can be disrespectful, and I should be disrespectful, but if I am too disrespectful I will be misinterpreted as an attacker, an offender. I’m not offending. I’m just pointing what I have noticed through feeling and I recommend watching Osho’s videos, complete videos, he explained in great detail many secrets many, many.
Vishrant
I know I was with him for years.
Sannyasin
Oh, you said you don’t play Osho videos to your disciples. You want them to listen to your superficial, always dodge the essence of things. This is what you’re doing. You are not Osho’s man. This is my message to everybody who is receptive, to be more attentive because this is also a part of this game. Not all people are what they pretend to be and we must be careful about that too. So yes, we should surrender to Osho or to another alive or dead enlightened master but not to someone who just pretends. Your teaching is correct but it’s it is only intellectual, unfortunately.
Vishrant
You should come here and see.
Sannyasin
It is difficult, it’s really far. If I were in your region I would have come earlier. Okay, I will not delay the other beloved friends here. Thank you for this talk. Really enjoyable.
Vishrant
Thank you, John.
